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Stop Loss order,
also known as a "stop-market order".
the keyword is MARKET...
ie once the price is touched, your order becomes a market order.
Touched means trading at OR through the price.
ie. if the next trade price is $1.00, your order will be a market order and filled at the next best bid.
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however - just using a stop at market order can also result in some really crappy fills.
Flash crash !
there is no substitute for really understanding the system you use, the risks involved with it.
there will be variations between brokers, definitions and your desires.
eg; does the market have to trade below your stop trigger, does it merely need to be offered below, where does the trigger go off, where is the stop order held - on your computer, at the broker, at the exchange?
Ask, ask, and ask again.
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This was my issue with swing trading stocks - you can place your stop loss and assume it will fill there but you really have no idea if it will or not. It's important you understand the mechanics of how these work and how your broker handles them so you don't get caught off-guard.
With that said, stops are the only thing that will save you when you are wrong, even if it executes further from where you expected. In daytrading you can assume for the most part that your stops will be honored where you place them if you are trading liquid instruments but position/swing trading is a different story esp in stocks.
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JLJ,Sometimes, your stop won't be excuted, even if price trades at or through your stop price - probably something to do with where your order is in the queue. This has happend to me on ES and TF, especially during fast periods.
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Exactly - when things are moving quickly [usually due to news] or stocks gap overnight, your stop order says 1 thing to your broker - if price touches this level or goes past it, I want out and I want out at the prevailing market price. In a perfect setup that prevailing price is where you thought you'd get out, but not necessarily.
You can always send a stop limit order which you dictate what terms you want to exit on however you can be left holding a large losing position if those parameters are not met.
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as a guess and from my experience.
Futures dont move as much as stocks via gaps from a percentage point of view [exception maybe the equity indexes]
There are many instances of stocks gapping 1-2-3% over night.
Most futures also have a globex session that can help minimise these gaps as well.
Additionally - day trading does not have the gaps over night that a style such as swing trading over 2-3 days will have.
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Browns,It makes sense that your broker's procedures, and of course trading volume, are critical in how your stop functions. But why would it matter if you're swing trading vs. day trading? The system [for lack of a better word] doesn't 'know' whether you've held your postion a couple hours or a couple days....or does it know?
Thanks to everyone for your patient answers.
Simple - overnight gaps.
You will not see many intraday gaps if trading a liquid instrument.
Swing trading stocks however and you can wake up to a little nightmare...
This is BIDU - if you shorted the close there, you wake up in the hole 8.66/sh. Odds are your stop was taken out even though you probably planned for a much smaller stop loss.
You simply won't see that type of a gap on an intraday chart.
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however - just using a stop at market order can also result in some really crappy fills.Flash crash !
there is no substitute for really understanding the system you use, the risks involved with it.
there will be variations between brokers, definitions and your desires.
eg; does the market have to trade below your stop trigger, does it merely need to be offered below, where does the trigger go off, where is the stop order held - on your computer, at the broker, at the exchange?
Ask, ask, and ask again.
Thanks, looks like i need to call my broker and ask. Didn't know it could vary.
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If i understood the thread correct, there's a risk of a StopLoss not executing because of where the SL is being held. Let's say for example my platform "holds" the SL information and let's say i'm running a couple of trades with SL's on them and all of a sudden my computer dies, and i'm not at home so i don't notice this. If my trades keep running at the broker, the SL's wont kick in and i will loose money. How would i prevent this from happening? do most brokers inform of how they handle SL's? or is this something i would have to ask every broker before using their system? Anyone with any experience from this type of problem. I hope i didn't confuse you all too much with my explanation.
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